Friday, June 15, 2007

New Voice, Same Old Stuff

It seems that there is some possibility that RoseMarie Briggs of the Family Leader Network will become the next voice of the Montgomery County anti-gay brigade, now that a series of CRC leaders have more or less burned out. She's written a couple of articles for Mormon publications about our controversy, and she spoke at the Board of Educations' public comments session this Tuesday. Let's see what she had to say -- this isn't the whole thing, I'll cut out the blah-blah-blah about how much she loves her kids' teachers and stuff and also the several pages of CRC's cliched recommendations at the end. She phrased her comments in the form of questions.

Here's her first question from public comments to the board:
What provisions have been made for teachers who are ethically opposed to the new curriculum or simply uncomfortable with the controversial subject matter? Can teachers opt out of teaching "Respect for Differences in Human Sexuality" without losing their jobs? What's the policy?

Hmmm, I don't know what the policy is for teachers who are "ethically opposed" to teaching. If I were to propose one, I suppose it would be -- firing them.

I mean, man, how do they think of this stuff? Teachers teach. Health teachers teach about health. If they are really opposed to that, then doesn't it kind of make sense that they should find something else to do? (This is sort of like the pharmacists who feel they have a right to judge whether people's prescriptions meet a certain moral standard. Same thing -- fire them if they won't do their job. It seems easy to me.)

I just thought of an example, let's see how you feel about this one. I know someone who is a nurse, and she is also Catholic. When she was pregnant with her first child she was working in a hospital where one of the things she had to do was gather together all the little pieces of aborted fetuses for disposal. She did it, weeping.

So, do you think a teacher can read a couple of definitions in class?
What happens to the teacher who is asked "how do you know sexual orientation is innate? Can you tell me what studies prove it? My uncle happens to be Francis S. Collins head of the Human Genome Project in Rockville, and he says sexual orientation is NOT hardwired by DNA. How do you know that it is?"

OK, this is weird. This lady has a real smart uncle who helped unravel the human genome. But it sounds like she doesn't actually know the guy. He was quoted out of context on a NARTH web site, and afterwards he cleared it up with ExGay-Watch. He told them:
The evidence we have at present strongly supports the proposition that there are hereditary factors in male homosexuality — the observation that an identical twin of a male homosexual has approximately a 20% likelihood of also being gay points to this conclusion, since that is 10 times the population incidence. But the fact that the answer is not 100% also suggests that other factors besides DNA must be involved. That certainly doesn’t imply, however, that those other undefined factors are inherently alterable.

Ms. Briggs needs to go chat with Uncle Frank a little more at the next family picnic -- he does not appear to be on-board with her gay-hating ways.

Oh, hey here's a question she should have known the answer to:
What happens to the teacher who is asked "why does the condom video say to use condoms for anal and oral sex when the condom box says that condoms are only intended for vaginal intercourse?"

The answer is this: if a teacher is asked that question, she is supposed to say, "Go ask a trusted adult."

Listen, I have a stepladder that says on the top rung: "Do not sit or stand." I take that to mean that I can't sue the ladder company if I fall off their stepladder. The label on the condom box is like that. They are designed for vaginal sex, and that's all the company will take liability for. But the mainstream medical advice is that if you are going to have anal sex, you should wear a condom. That's what the doctors recommend, it's what the government recommends, it's what's in the lesson.
What happens to the teacher who is asked "why do so many news reports say that most of the people dying from AIDS are gay men? Is this an unhealthy lifestyle?"

Unfortunately, if a teacher is asked a stupid question like that, they are not allowed by the school district to give the correct answer, which is that the vast majority of HIV and AIDS patients are not gay men at all.
What happens to a teacher who is asked "does ONE sexual attraction with a person of the same gender mean that a teen is gay or lesbian according to the lesson the answer is yes? My mother is a psychiatrist and she says that few traits are fixed in the teen years especially sexual orientation."

First of all, no psychiatrist would ever say that. The history of psychometrics is built around the measurement of traits that are reliable, meaning the measures are consistent over time, and there are plenty of them that extend over the lifetime. Didn't you ever take the Myers-Briggs test? Second of all, the research really does show that most people know, by the time they are adolescents, what their sexual orientation is; so if your psychiatrist tells you this, you should find another psychiatrist. Unless it's your mother; don't try to find another mother.

But back to the topic, the sex-ed classes have a part that says, "Children who have fleeting same-sex attractions may assume incorrectly that they are gay or lesbian. Mere fleeting attraction does not prove sexual orientation." No, wait, that wasn't included in the classes. That was one of those statements that the CRC and PFOX voted against, that the citizens advisory committee wanted to have included in the curriculum, but the school district was afraid to use it.

Oh, and I love this one -- for some reason I really do just l-o-v-e to see the CRC people go red in the face when they consider that vignette about Portia, the transgender girl. Here's an example:
What happens to the principal who is suddenly confronted by MCPS students who decide to cross dress, ask for new student IDs and expect a key to a private bathroom? After all in one 10th grade lesson, a boy begins to wear dresses to school, calls himself 'Portia,' and wants to be known as a girl. The principal gives this boy a key to a private restroom and a new student ID identifying him as a girl. The lesson implies that schools should create new student IDs and unisex bathrooms for cross-dressing students. Is this ethical when the American Psychiatric Association says transgender is a gender identity disorder?"

Woo-hoo! Pass the blood pressure meds! These guys just can not stand the fact that some people's gender identity differs from their plumbing. Why in the world does that bother these people so much? Guy lives his life feeling like a woman inside, let him be a woman, what does it hurt?

I mean, this goes to the core of it all. What does it hurt? Why would they want to force somebody into a role that feels completely unnatural to them? I just don't get that. Because, look, I myself do not feel like a woman inside, and I have no desire to become one. So if I was a kid in school reading this vignette, I might find it vaguely interesting or weird, and that's that; I will have thought for a minute about what that's like, and when I meet someone like that I'll have some idea about it. But some people really do experience incongruity between the way they feel and the way they look, I can't tell you why, there are a lot of reasons and it doesn't matter. What matters is that it doesn't hurt me a bit if somebody decides to go ahead and live the life that will fulfill them personally -- I don't have to understand it or feel like they do, it comes down to this: it's none of my business.

This whole CRC assault is just a big exercise in people sticking their noses into other people's business. If you are "morally" opposed to something, then just don't do it. You don't get to decide how other people will live.

And keep this under your hat: we have learned that some members of the CRC have unisex bathrooms right in their own houses.
Not only am I extremely concerned about how the inaccuracies in this curriculum would affect students, I am equally concerned about the credibility of our teachers and principals. Are students going to lose respect for their educators when they ask legitimate, medical and scientific questions and the teachers have little medical and scientific data to respond intelligently?

This is kind of funny, when the CRC and PFOX have consistently voted against including the information from the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Psychological Association.

If students are going to lose respect for their teachers, it won't be for misinformation, it will be because their teachers will not be able to answer their reasonable questions, even when they know the answers.

19 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Hmmm, I don't know what the policy is for teachers who are "ethically opposed" to teaching. If I were to propose one, I suppose it would be -- firing them."

Could you ask one of your friends on the school board to say this publicly? It would save so much time.

"I mean, man, how do they think of this stuff? Teachers teach. Health teachers teach about health. If they are really opposed to that, then doesn't it kind of make sense that they should find something else to do?"

Well, yeah. But when the school district mandates teaching kids that unhealthy sexual practices are OK, there should be some kind of Hippocratic oath for health teaching.

The goal of the curriculum is to make kids comfortable engaging in activity that is dangerous. In what Orwellian alternate universe is that "health class"?

June 15, 2007 11:00 AM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

Jim,

I could go into detail as to why some people are gender variant, but I won't since I've already done so and few people were interested in the facts.

Currently, being gender variant gets one classified as having Gender Identity Disorder(if one bothers to see a psychiatrist, that is), and the treatment is living in one's chosen, reassigned gender. So, yes, that child will now attend school as a girl and use the girls' bathroom . . . Given that it's a medical condition, the school is obligated to treat this child as it would anyone with any medical condition.

Please note that the latest DSM was written 15 years ago and is currently being revised, but the DSM V is not scheduled for publication until 2012. The new nomenclature for gender variance is either DSD (Disorders of Sexual Development) or VSD (Variations of Sexual Development), much more scientifically defensible than the nonsensical GID -- as if there is anything wrong with our gender identity.

June 15, 2007 11:32 AM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

Oh, and people should check out the Toles cartoon in today's Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html

or:

http://tinyurl.com/awy2d

June 15, 2007 11:37 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

the school district mandates teaching kids that unhealthy sexual practices are OK

No it doesn't. Here's what the 8th grade curriculum says about sexual activity:

VII.Analyze Consequences of Sexual Activity

A.Negative feelings about self
1. poor self concept
2. low self-esteem
3. disappointment
4. depression
5. suicide

B.Feelings others may hold
1. loss of reputation
2. change of friends

C.Pregnancy
1. change in lifestyle

D.Sexually transmitted diseases
1. infection that may cause death or damage to sexual organs

E.Long-term loving relationship
1. rare among teens
2. promises before sexual activity are many times forgotten afterward

F.Positive consequences
1. there are positive consequences of sexual activity for adults, but for most teens the negative results far outweigh the positive

VIII.Examine the Myths and Misconceptions About Human Sexuality

A.You're not really a man (or woman) until you have sex
1. sometimes it is more difficult to say no than yes
2. it is more adult to wait until you are ready and can handle the consequences

B.Myths regarding pregnancy
1. can't get pregnant if you do it standing up
2. can't get pregnant the first time you do it
3. can't get pregnant if he pulls out
4. can't get pregnant if you have never had your period
5. can't get pregnant while you are menstruating

C.Other
1. men need it more than women
2. men must ejaculate once they have an erection
3. men need many partners, women only need one

IX.Review the Social, Emotional and Economic Impact of Teenage Parenting

A.Social
1. loss of friendships
2. loss of social activities
3. marrying for the wrong reasons

B.Economic
1. inability to complete educational goals
2. lack of employment skills

3. low paying employment
4. use of the welfare system

C.Emotional
1. low self-esteem/concept
2. depression
3. forced to act like an adult (job, bills, parenting)
4. inability to cope with child rearing
a. child abuse
b. neglect
c. adoption
d. other
5. lost adolescence

...

XI.Abstinence

A.Define and describe

B.Only 100% effective means of pregnancy prevention

C.Only 100% effective means of preventing sexually transmitted diseases

D.Preservation of self-concept/self-esteem
1. you decide when and if you want to become sexually active
2. consider the consequences and you make a decision
3. only you are responsible for your own behavior

E.Before marriage and for teens it is the best choice


And in 10th grade, students learn:

IV. Factors Influencing Sexual Attitudes and Behavior

A. Family (culture, religion, etc.)

B. Peer Pressure

C. Media/Social Trends

D. Biological (hormonal)

E. Misunderstandings
1. Reproductive systems and functions
2. Stereotypes regarding "typical" male and female behaviors and attitudes

F. Effective Communication (verbal/non-verbal)
1. Assertive behaviors
2. Resistance skills
3. Other

G. Laws Relating to Sexual Behavior
1. Date/acquaintance rape
2. Statutory rape
3. Sexual harrassment
4. Sexual assault
5. Other

H. Possible Consequences of Sexual Activity
1. Emotional
2. Legal
3. Financial
4. Health-related
5. Relational
6. Other

I. Advantages of Sexual Abstinence
1. No fear of pregnancy
2. Lower risk of disease transmission
3. Permits relationship to develop without sexual pressures
4. Other

June 15, 2007 11:42 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Jim said Ms. Briggs needs to go chat with Uncle Frank a little more at the next family picnic -- he is does not appear to be on-board with her gay-hating ways.

Yesterday's Washington Post front page article, "Intricate Toiling Found In Nooks of DNA Once Believed to Stand Idle" explained that the deciphering of the human genome has barely begun. Uncle Frank wants research to continue because unlike his niece, he realizes the human genome project is in its infancy.

"...the new project shows that the simple sequence of DNA letters revealed to great fanfare by the $3 billion Human Genome Project in 2003 was but a skeletal version of the human construction manual. It is the alphabet, but not much more, for a syntactically complicated language of life that scientists are just now beginning to learn.

"There's a lot more going on than we thought," said Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, the part of the National Institutes of Health that financed most of the $42 million project.

"It's like trying to read and understand a very complicated Chinese novel," said Eric Green, the institute's scientific director. "The take-home message is, 'Oh, my gosh, this is really complicated.' "

The findings come from the Encyclopedia of DNA Elements project, nicknamed Encode. While much of the decades-long effort to understand DNA's role in health and disease has been driven by scientists' interest in particular genes, Encode focused on a representative 1 percent of the genome. Using a variety of experimental and computational approaches, the researchers sought to catalogue everything going on there.

The 3 1/2 -year effort was designed as a pilot project to see whether it would be practical to study the entire genome in such depth and to hasten the development of cheaper tools to do so. Encode was so successful, Collins said, that the remaining 99 percent of the genome is expected to be studied the same way for $100 million..."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/13/AR2007061302466.html

June 15, 2007 12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We discussed the Encode project yesterday, Beatrice. It basically debunks the idea that Randi has often advanced here: that DNA contains a lot of worthless, vestigial information without purpose and thus doesn't appear designed. I usually replied that Randi had no way of knowing what the supposed "junk" DNA was for. Funny how if you don't jump to conclusions, you turn out to be right.

This whole Collins quote that Jim brings up is another point. The testifier pointed out that Collins says DNA is not hard-wired for sexual preference. Jim quotes the following from Collins to rebut:

"The evidence we have at present strongly supports the proposition that there are hereditary factors in male homosexuality — the observation that an identical twin of a male homosexual has approximately a 20% likelihood of also being gay points to this conclusion, since that is 10 times the population incidence. But the fact that the answer is not 100% also suggests that other factors besides DNA must be involved. That certainly doesn’t imply, however, that those other undefined factors are inherently alterable."

To say that Collins is saying that DNA is "hard-wired" for sexual preference is simply jumping the gun. All he is saying is that while there are genetic influences that makes one more susceptible to homosexuality, since they don't correlate 100%, there are obviously other factors and there is no way, as yet, to know if those factors are alterable.

BTW, I've made the same point as this esteemed scientist many times and the retort of Dana and Company is that I simply don't understand science.

Here's what I do know: to treat extrapolation as proof is ignorance. The wise know what they don't know. I didn't learn that principle from a scientist either. It's in the Bible.

June 15, 2007 12:59 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

Jim said:

"Listen, I have a stepladder that says on the top rung: "Do not sit or stand."

I remember when my father and I were installing his TV satellite, there in the middle of the directions was the caution "Do not step off of roof." We had many laughs about that.

CRCs panic about the transgender vignette surprises me. I know of a number of cases here in Fairfax (in conservative Virginia) where administrators have been nothing but supportive of students "coming out" as transgender. Most school principals (though not all) react as Portia's principal did, helping their students through what can be a difficult transition. It takes an enormous amount of courage for youth to make themselves so vulnerable.

rrjr

June 15, 2007 12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"CRCs panic about the transgender vignette surprises me."

Probably because it only exists in Jim's imagination. Oh, they object to it but where is the "panic" that Jim notes?

June 15, 2007 1:11 PM  
Blogger Randi Schimnosky said...

Anonymous at June 15, 2007 12:59 PM

Anonymous, as the article Aunt Bea referenced noted, the deciphering of the human genome has barely begun. That some DNA that was previously thought to be junk has a purpose is a long ways from proving that all junk DNA has a purpose.

June 15, 2007 1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love the CRC. They are having a fit (as evidenced by their signs, their press releases and their constant bringing up of the topic) about a "mental disease" whose treatment is to continue the very same behavior that leads to the diagnosis.

June 15, 2007 2:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous, as the article Aunt Bea referenced noted, the deciphering of the human genome has barely begun. That some DNA that was previously thought to be junk has a purpose is a long ways from proving that all junk DNA has a purpose."

You have flatly said that most information in DNA is junk and that this excludes the possibility of a creator. It looks more and more as if you were wrong.

Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about. That's the wisest course.

June 15, 2007 2:54 PM  
Blogger Randi Schimnosky said...

Once again anonymous, showing that some junk DNA has a purpose is a long ways from showing it all has a purpose.

June 15, 2007 3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What we're really a long way from saying is that there is any "junk" DNA at all.

Admit it. You don't if such a thing exists.

June 15, 2007 3:59 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

What we're really a long way from saying is that there is any "junk" DNA at all.

Maybe you are, but Uncle Frank isn't.

Some of it may be doing nothing. "It may be like clutter in the attic," Collins said, noting that clutter could be useful when conditions change and evolution needs new material to work with.

June 15, 2007 5:06 PM  
Blogger Randi Schimnosky said...

Its my understanding from what I've read that substantial amounts of DNA have no purpose.

June 15, 2007 5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Andrea- not anon

I don't have any condoms to look at(and I'm not sure Mrs. Briggs did either) but I went to the Trojan website and this is what I found. So I guess Mrs Briggs is wrong?

Do I need to use a condom for anal sex?
You should use a condom for every sex act, including anal sex. The skin in the anal passage is very fragile and can tear. STDs can be easily spread through anal sex. In fact, anal sex is the riskiest form of sex for getting HIV/AIDS. Condoms can protect you during anal sex. Using a water-based lubricant will help reduce the risk of a latex condom breaking. However, a condom with spermicidal lubricant should not be used during anal sex

June 15, 2007 6:21 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

Anonymous said:

"Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about. That's the wisest course."

A statement, as usual, designed not to discuss but to irritate.

As my Latin teacher used to say, "Go play in traffic."

June 16, 2007 8:30 AM  
Anonymous David S. Fishback said...

Per Andrea's last post, the language she quotes is essentially that provided by the CDC at http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa22.htm). Jim proposed to include it in the Condom Demo unit, but Ruth Jacobs' filibustering prevented it from being considered by the Advisory Committee.

Here is what the CDC says:

Can I get HIV from anal sex?

Yes. In fact, unprotected (without a condom) anal sex (intercourse) is considered to be very risky behavior. It is possible for either sex partner to become infected with HIV during anal sex. HIV can be found in the blood, semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected with the virus. In general, the person receiving the semen is at greater risk of getting HIV because the lining of the rectum is thin and may allow the virus to enter the body during anal sex. However, a person who inserts his penis into an infected partner also is at risk because HIV can enter through the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or through small cuts, abrasions, or open sores on the penis.
Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV. If people choose to have anal sex, they should use a latex condom. Most of the time, condoms work well. However, condoms are more likely to break during anal sex than during vaginal sex. Thus, even with a condom, anal sex can be risky. A person should use generous amounts of water-based lubricant in addition to the condom to reduce the chances of the condom breaking.
For more information on latex condoms, see "Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases."
If you would like more information or have personal concerns, call CDC-INFO 24 Hours/Day
at 1-800-CDC-INFO (232-4636), 1-888-232-6348 (TTY), in English, en Español.

Last Modified: October 20, 2006
Last Reviewed: October 20, 2006
Content Source:
Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention
National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention
**********************

Hopefully, MCPS Staff will include it in their upcoming revision of the 10th grade STI unit.

June 17, 2007 2:51 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

Let me say something here, because this is something that really gets under my skin. The CDC says:

It is possible for either sex partner to become infected with HIV during anal sex.

That is a pure case of bigoted framing and a lie.

Anal sex with an uninfected person -- which accounts for the vast majority of such encounters -- carries no risk at all of HIV infection.

The CDC is lying by not telling the reader that they really mean It is possible for either sex partner to become infected with HIV during any kind of sex with an infected person -- anal sex itself is not a risk. They do this because they want you to share their stereotype of anal sex being something that gay men do -- which is wrong, not all gay men do that and nearly half of straight people do -- and they frame that within the stereotype of gay people having indiscriminate sex with strangers. Without that assumption this statement is simply wrong -- anal sex within a committed relationship carries no risk of HIV infection.

The same thing is true where they say, If people choose to have anal sex, they should use a latex condom. This absurdly assumes you don't know the person you're having sex with, and that is the problem, not the orifice that is being penetrated. It's stupid advice for the ordinary married couple who are having anal intercourse, either within a heterosexual or homosexual relationship -- it's like advising people to wear a raincoat when they go out, and not mentioning that they should only do that if it's raining.

The statement here should have been: you risk catching HIV if you have sex with somebody who carries that virus, or if you don't know for sure. Then the point should have been: don't have sex with people you don't know well.

Nobody knows really if HIV is spread more easily through anal or vaginal sex. You can imagine, there is no ethical way to conduct that study. The fact that it entered our society through the gay community means that a disproportionate number of cases were transmitted in the US and Europe through anal sex -- because, unfortunately I have to point this out, gay men can't have vaginal sex, and so that variable is ruled out -- but it isn't the orifice that's the problem, it's having sex with an infected person.

Unfortunately, somebody at the CDC couldn't pass up an opportunity to insult our gay friends and neighbors.

Unfortunately, that's what you get at the government web sites these days.

JimK

June 17, 2007 9:12 AM  

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