Sunday, October 14, 2007

Sunday, Beautiful as Usual

Outrageous. It's just outrageous. Clear, slanting autumn sunshine, just a hint of a breeze plucking the occasional leaf off the maple tree, the neighbors are out walking, nodding and smiling at their neighbors.

There are a couple of things this week that I want to get on the record.

You know that Al Gore just won the Nobel Peace Prize. Some nameless person at the White House told the Washington Post, "We're happy for him, but suspect he'd trade places before we would."

I'm thinking not.

Even in the 2000 campaign, George Bush talked about history. He doesn't know what it is, but he's sure hoping to have a nice chapter in it. The problem is that in pursuing his dream to be enshrined in some distant history that is written after we'll all dead, he has sadly forgotten to pay attention to the things that have been happening while we're still here, alive. And guess what -- Bush's chapter in the history book will be titled "Worst President Ever." While Gore's legacy will span from A to Z, Bush's will go from Brutality to Brutish, nothing either side of that.

Interesting that several of the big newspapers took time this weekend to consider Gore's Nobel Prize in contrast to the Bush legacy. Let me just link to some of the better ones:
  • Washington Post Feats Divide Pair Linked by Election: A Tale of War (Bush) and Peace (Gore)
  • The LA Times Al Gore: the anti-Bush: No wonder conservatives are apoplectic - Gore's fortunes rise as the president's plummets.
  • New York Times The Trivial Pursuit

I remember the 2000 elections, thinking it was a choice between an unlikeable guy and an idiot. Gore's attempts to work the media were obvious, his changes of personality through the debates were especially unsettling, but did people really want the class clown in the White House? Enough of them did to send it to the Supreme Court, which had become political enough to know how to swing it, and here we are. The candidates were not able to demonstrate enough of a difference on the issues, so people voted on the basis of personality, I guess, though ... never mind.

I'm not going to rehash everything in those articles, but here's what does it for me. I recall George Bush flying out to the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina. People were drowning all around, bodies floating in the attic, thousands of homes were destroyed, people were missing, and the federal government was ... you can't even say the government was ineffective, it was worse than that, it was the opposite of helpful, the federal government made the situation much worse than it was. That was an occasion that justifies having a good, strong government, an emergency that transcends anything that any private company can deal with, but our government had been stacked up with people who had been given political favors, and nobody knew how to do anything. And there was George Bush, on the ground in New Orleans, joking about how he used to party there when he was in college while people's real lives were being ruined in the background.

At the same time, Al Gore was figuring out how to actually rescue people. No, there weren't TV cameras there, but he arranged to get hundreds of people, including the sick and injured, out of the flooded areas and out to where they could be taken care of.

That says it all, for me. One guy gets a Nobel Peace Prize, one guy faces the prospect of international trial for war crimes. I don't think the Nobel guy wants to trade, really.

A second thing going on, relevant to our controversy in the schools, is the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) that's being considered by Congress. I haven't said much about this, but there is a legitimate controversy going on, one that it is worth thinking about. I am not up on the latest details, which are changing by the day, but here's the dilemma. The federal government is about to pass a law prohibiting discrimination against gay people when it comes to employment. They have figured out, though, that if they include transgender people along with gays and lesbians, they won't have enough votes to pass it.

The question is, should the gay community hold out for inclusion of gender identity in the bill, or should they take what they can get now, and then lobby to stretch it further later? This would give protection to millions of people as it is, while a small number of Americans could still be discriminated against. The practical voices say, pass the bill while the votes are there, let's get protection for people. Principled people are saying, don't accept it without full coverage for everybody. I consider this a legitimate debate, with two valid points of view, and am curious to see how it plays out.

Here's my two cents (watch me offend everybody in the world with this one).

What's that guy's name on late-night TV? The Scottish guy? Ah, yes, Craig Ferguson. I love that guy. Once I saw him interview some beautiful model or actress, whatever, who flipped her hair royally and mentioned that she does a lot of international travel. And he said something like, "Yeah, so do I, and I love International House of Pancakes, don't you?" And he totally changed the subject on her, to IHOP and what's on their menu. It was conversational virtuosity at its best. And he's like that a lot, a real wit, a good guy.

But one thing he does, and Conan O'Brian does this too, I think, is to joke like he's gay. He makes jokes about being trapped in elevators with handsome men and so on. People laugh, and I've never even heard anybody ask, is Craig Ferguson gay? It doesn't matter, because you know what? He doesn't act gay. Neither does Conan. Those guys don't flounce around and roll their eyes, or whatever stereotypical thing sets off our gay-dar.

I don't think it's being gay that upsets people, it's acting gay. And what that means, really, is behavior that is inappropriate for your gender. Let's call it "stereotype nonconformity," the failure to behave according to the stereotype. That's what gets gay people in trouble, women in workshirts and short hair, guys who wiggle when they walk, that's what bigots see that sets them off -- nobody knows who you're attracted to, unless you tell them, and unless you advertise your orientation with some stereotype nonconformity. And it looks to me like the current ENDA won't cover that.

One view of the ENDA situation is that the gays are throwing the transgender folks under the bus, pushing them out of the way so they can get what they want for themselves. But they might end up getting close to nothing. Imagine this: a guy goes in to apply for a job and they don't hire him, and he sues them for discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, and the employer says, I didn't know he goes to bed with, I thought he was trying to act like a woman. Seems to me the employer is off the hook. Who talks about their love life in a job interview? Q: How else would they know? A: Stereotype nonconformity.

ENDA as it is being considered, as it will probably go forward, gives protection to gay men who are not effeminate at all (or exaggeratedly macho), and lesbians who are not butch. And face it, straight-looking gays and lesbians aren't the ones with the biggest problems. They might want to think about that, not that it's any of my business.

Now it is time to get out there, this is a day to throw a football with a kid. Oh, and rake those leaves off the deck before they get rained on. Mmm, and put stuff back onto the shelves from when we got flooded. Uh, and pay off that stack of bills... I hope I get a chance to get outside while it's like this.

31 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting story buried back in the A section of the Post on Friday, the same day the Post covered the award that puts Gore in the company of such peaceniks as Le Duc Tho, Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat. A judge in Great Britain ruled that "An Inconvenient Truth" can only be viewed by kids in British public schools if the teachers point nine major errors in the films.

Another interesting article in the Outlook section of the Post last Sunday demonstrating how many more lives could be saved if the amount of money it would require to cut carbon emmissions were dedicated to adjusting to rising temperatures which are inevitable under virtually any plan so far proposed.

Meanwhile, Gore continues to implore others to make sacrifices to reduce their carbon emmissions in order to allow fat cats like him to continue to not worry about their own activities.

Can you imagine what the situation would be now if Gore had been President on September 11?

We should count our blessings!

October 14, 2007 5:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous, you're a freakin idiot.

October 14, 2007 5:40 PM  
Anonymous youwish said...

We all agree, he is an idiot.

October 14, 2007 9:42 PM  
Blogger Orin Ryssman said...

What I would like to understand is how exactly is "An Inconvenient Truth", a "documentary" on global warming (read: science), at all related to the Nobel Peace Prize?

October 14, 2007 10:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That question was directed at the chairman of the Nobel Prize committee. The answer was something lame like, "oh, climate change will cause chaos and international struggle for resources".

Let's face it. It was motivated by hatred of Bush.

Gore is a self-absorbed moron.

October 14, 2007 10:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous, you're a freakin idiot."

This exactly the kind of well-reasoned and incisive argumentation that won Gore so many votes in the 2000 election.

October 14, 2007 11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since Gore had more votes than Bush in 2000, you're not saying a whole lot.

October 15, 2007 7:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, I am. Bush should have been very to beat. Gore had everything in his favor except for one thing: himself.

October 15, 2007 7:20 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

And what else did that "interesting story buried" on the first page of the World News Section of the Washington Post on Friday, Oct. 12, 2007, report?

Kalee Kreider, a spokesman for Gore, said the former vice president is "gratified that the courts verified that the central argument of 'An Inconvenient Truth' is supported by the scientific community." She said that "of the thousands and thousands of facts presented in the film, the judge apparently took issue with a handful."

Kreider also said that Gore believes the film will educate a generation of young people about the "climate crisis" and that the "debate has shifted from 'Is the problem real?' to 'What can be done about it?' "

...A spokesman for the Department of Children, Schools and Families said the agency was "delighted" that students could continue to see Gore's film. It has noted that the judge did not disagree with the film's main point -- that man-made emissions of greenhouse gases are causing serious climate consequences.


The reason the Nobel Foundation gave for awarding the Nobel Peace Prize 2007 to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Albert Arnold Gore is "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/

October 15, 2007 7:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

andrea- not anon
Nutty anon is a self-absorbed moron. We all agree.

October 15, 2007 8:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon-B

Thanks for providing a statement from Albert Arnold's spokeman. Gee, that must be the final unbiased point of view.

So, the judge agrees with the film's central premise even though AAG's film supports it with false statements.

Sounds like another one of those things like evolution and gay innateness. It simply must be true, regardless of the facts.

Does that make global warming a new faith?

At least kids in England will hear the opposing point of view.

That's more than MCPS students get!

October 15, 2007 9:35 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Your welcome for providing two statements, one from a Gore spokeperson and another a spokesperson for Britain's Department of Children, Schools and Families.

Here are other statements published in the Washington Post from a variety of people, including some world leaders:

"He's the evidence that America is still capable of intelligent discourse," said Peter Kellner, who heads the British polling firm YouGov. According to Kellner, opinion polls show that British people generally admire America and Americans but strongly dislike Bush. He also said surveys routinely find that more than 80 percent of Britons agree with Gore that climate change exists and is man-made.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called Gore "inspirational," and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said he hoped Gore's honor would encourage world leaders to "approach this challenge even more swiftly and decisively."

John Noach, 69, a Dutch citizen who was sitting in a London Starbucks on Friday, said that in Europe, "most reasonable people" think of Gore as "a lifeline to sanity."

...After the award was announced Friday, French President Nicolas Sarkozy praised Gore as "an outstanding personality" and said that "today's fight against climate change is a determining factor for tomorrow's peace. . . . I'm very happy that such a great American used his position to set an example."

In Italy, Prime Minister Romano Prodi said Gore's selection underlined the need for "everyone to combat climate change," a statement echoed by other political leaders.

...Gore's Nobel met with applause in Germany, where Chancellor Angela Merkel has sought for months with limited success to persuade the Bush administration to do more about climate change under the auspices of the United Nations and the Group of Eight major industrial powers.

"Like no other, Al Gore has for many years through his personal commitment contributed to heightening global awareness of the need to develop effective strategies to counter climate change," Merkel said Friday.

October 15, 2007 10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Your welcome for providing two statements, one from a Gore spokeperson and another a spokesperson for Britain's Department of Children, Schools and Families."

Ah, Anon-B, you're correct. Not only did you quote Gore the Bore's spokesperson, you also quoted the losing defendant in the British case, who was told by a judge that children can't be told and sold this "inconvenient" misinformation without explanation.

You can't get anything by Anon-B!

October 15, 2007 12:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

""He's the evidence that America is still capable of intelligent discourse," said Peter Kellner, who heads the British polling firm YouGov. According to Kellner, opinion polls show that British people generally admire America and Americans but strongly dislike Bush. He also said surveys routinely find that more than 80 percent of Britons agree with Gore that climate change exists and is man-made."

Hmmm. Further evidence that this Nobel prize was awarded on the sake of popularity. The judge looked at the science. The Nobel committee cheapened their previously respected award.

"British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called Gore "inspirational,""

he talks the same way about members of the royal family.

"and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said he hoped Gore's honor would encourage world leaders to "approach this challenge even more swiftly and decisively.""

I'm sure. Chinese officials, who won't even let their citizens surf the internet, are going to accept a challenge from Al Gore to go back to riding bikes.

"John Noach, 69, a Dutch citizen who was sitting in a London Starbucks on Friday, said that in Europe, "most reasonable people" think of Gore as "a lifeline to sanity.""

Looks like Albert Arnold's got the elderly wooden shoe vote all wrapped up.

"...After the award was announced Friday, French President Nicolas Sarkozy praised Gore as "an outstanding personality""

Maybe Gore will get the annual Jerry Lewis Genius in Film Comedy award in Cannes this year.

"In Italy, Prime Minister Romano Prodi said Gore's selection underlined the need for "everyone to combat climate change," a statement echoed by other political leaders."

This is probably a sarcastic remark directed at Gore's unwillingness to alter his lifestyle as he has advised the common masses to do.

"...Gore's Nobel met with applause in Germany, where Chancellor Angela Merkel has sought for months with limited success to persuade the Bush administration to do more about climate change under the auspices of the United Nations and the Group of Eight major industrial powers."

And what was the suggestion for what to do about it? Should we bomb oil refineries in Saudi Arabia and auto factories in Dehli?

Oh, you mean the Kyoto treaty.

It wouldn't change a thing.


"Like no other, Al Gore has for many years through his personal commitment contributed to heightening global awareness of the need to develop effective strategies to counter climate change," Merkel said Friday.

October 15, 2007 1:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Craig Ferguson. I love that guy. Once I saw him interview some beautiful model or actress, whatever, who flipped her hair royally and mentioned that she does a lot of international travel. And he said something like, "Yeah, so do I, and I love International House of Pancakes, don't you?""

He stole this joke from Pat Buchanan. See his speech at the 1992 Republican convention.

October 15, 2007 1:11 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Buchanan's xenophobic, homophobic, racist, sexist "culture war" speech? Once was enough. Never again.

Molly Ivins got it right when she said Buchanan's '92 GOP Convention speech "probably sounded better in the original German."

October 15, 2007 6:38 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

And am I understanding that in that speech, Pat Buchanan made a joke about IHOP? Like ... "Ich liebe IHOP, das Essen da schmeckt sehr gut, nicht wie das Essen von die Ausländern."

JimK

October 15, 2007 6:52 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Oh, I see, he said "Bill Clinton's foreign policy experience is pretty much confined to having had breakfast once at the International House of Pancakes." Very good, making fun of Clinton's foreign policy experience, in comparison to Bush's. I'm sure it was very effective.

But it's not the same joke.

Wow, this speech is unbelievable. You can read it HERE .

This is as bad as some of the idiocy Anon posts here, the same kind of thinking, where name-calling substitutes for reasoning. We have to be very careful with this kind of thing -- at least we seem to have stopped it in Montgomery County.

JimK

October 15, 2007 6:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Washington Post Editorial Page
Quote of the Day
October 16, 2007

"Wouldn't this be poetic justice? Al Gore wins the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on global warming, and Florida disappears into the Atlantic Ocean."

October 16, 2007 7:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you guys heard about what's been going on in Greenland this summer? Apparently Gorist groups have been flying in legislators all summer to see shrinking glaciers- proof positive that global warming is out of control. After they get to the big international airport, they take a smaller aircraft about 100 miles inland to see these shrinking glaciers.

Here's the punchline: There are glaciers much closer to the international airport. The Gorists don't take them to those though-
because they are all growing!

Just another wild anecdote from the wacky world of alarmism...

I assume after their search for the elusive shrinking ice (who knew, and in summer, yet), they all go to the local IHOP for a roundtable discussion on insights from Clinton's foreign policy on the importance of tolerating other cultures, like ones running camps in Afghanistan in the 90's.

Ah, tolerance...the universal virtue.

October 16, 2007 9:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, closer to home where Rangers and Pioneers ride ribbons of asphalt in their OPEC dependent Hummers, we find

-September 2007 is 8th warmest on record for contiguous United States

-The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection on Friday expanded its drought watch to 53 counties, including Northampton and Lehigh, both of which made the list for the first time this year.

-Southern Maryland News: State Offers Loans to Drought-Stricken Farms for the First Time

October 17, 2007 12:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Editor:

Whatever the political critics of Al Gore may argue regarding his receipt of the Nobel Peace Prize, there is no doubt that the international community has been persuaded by his arguments and actions over global warming.

Those who claim, oddly, that the environment has nothing to do with “peace” should look at the award another way; Al Gore defeated George W. Bush in 2000, and he knew it (as did most of this Republic and most of the international community). Rather than allow the nation to be plunged into a growing constitutional crisis for which there seemed to be no imminent and peaceful resolution, Al Gore accepted the peculiar ruling of the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore and allowed the nation to begin to “heal” itself.

Al Gore placed the safety and security of the nation above his own political ambition. That’s the second inconvenient truth that many of his critics hesitate to discuss.

Carlton Long
Quincy, Mass., Oct. 12, 2007

October 17, 2007 11:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"there is no doubt that the international community has been persuaded by his arguments and actions over global warming"

I have a doubt. The international committee was on to this long ago. Al Gore didn't alert them to it.

"Those who claim, oddly, that the environment has nothing to do with “peace” should look at the award another way;"

Under this new way of looking at things, any accomplishments could qualify. Let's give an award to Bill Gates and Tom Brady and Dianne Krall. I'm sure we could make up some justification.

"Al Gore defeated George W. Bush in 2000, and he knew it (as did most of this Republic and most of the international community). Rather than allow the nation to be plunged into a growing constitutional crisis for which there seemed to be no imminent and peaceful resolution, Al Gore accepted the peculiar ruling of the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore and allowed the nation to begin to “heal” itself.

Al Gore placed the safety and security of the nation above his own political ambition. That’s the second inconvenient truth that many of his critics hesitate to discuss."

Oh brother. Let's review history. Al Gore conceded on election night and then recanted his concession. He put the country through an unprecedented series of court challenges contesting hanging chads and election boards, making a mockery of our democratic system and making us a laugiung stock around the world. He quit only when it was clear he wouldn't win.

I guess we can say he accepted the Supreme Court ruling by not trying to organize a military coup but, really, don't you think he knew the American people wouldn't support any more games? They were already fed up with his pettiness.

Far from quietly acepting the judgment of the court, he constantly whines about it to this day and acquiesces while all his partisan allies do the same.

A typical speech from him starts: "Hi! I'm Al Gore and I used to be the next President of the United States."

Actually, he never was.

October 17, 2007 12:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talk about unleashing a flood of repressed anger...

October 17, 2007 1:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to mention that Florida has been recounted by hand since then and Bush won.

And Gore tried to just have just the democratic counties recounted by hand, (you will be able to include more votes that the computer wasn't able to read) - if you recount just the democratic counties by hand than OF course you will get more democratic votes. The supreme court decided, correctly, that wasn't fair. You had to use an equal standard in all the counties. Geez. Amazing.

Emproph -

As far as your question you are so insistent on asking - "how long have I known I was hetereosexual since this is the only thing that matters, your personal testimony"...
are you suggesting we discard the entire field of psychiatry ? Because I believe if one follows your reasoning thread, that is where it leads....

As far as me personally, I am not answering that question. Anyway I answer it you will twist it. So...


Have a nice evening.
Theresa

October 17, 2007 9:14 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

You had to use an equal standard in all the counties. Geez. Amazing.

Well, Theresa, I'm glad to hear you say that's what should have happened but you do realize that's not what actually did happen, don't you? The Supreme Court decided Florida would have "had to use an equal standard in all the counties" for the regular ballots, however, the Bush team made sure counties counted overseas absentee ballots using unequal standards. It was the only way they could manage to wrest the electoral college vote from the popular vote winner.

On the morning after Election Day, George W. Bush held an unofficial lead of 1,784 votes in Florida, but to his campaign strategists the margin felt perilously slim. They were right to worry. Within a week, recounts would erode Mr. Bush's unofficial lead to just 300 votes.

With the presidency hanging on the outcome in Florida, the Bush team quickly grasped that the best hope of ensuring victory was the trove of ballots still arriving in the mail from Florida residents living abroad. Over the next 18 days, the Republicans mounted a legal and public relations campaign to persuade canvassing boards
in Bush strongholds to waive the state's election laws when counting overseas absentee ballots.

Their goal was simple: to count the maximum number of overseas ballots in counties won by Mr. Bush, particularly those with a high concentration of military voters, while seeking to disqualify overseas ballots in counties won by Vice President Al Gore.

A six-month investigation by The New York Times of this chapter in the closest presidential election in American history shows that the Republican effort had a decided impact. Under intense pressure from the Republicans, Florida officials accepted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws.

In an analysis of the 2,490 ballots from Americans living abroad that were counted as legal votes after Election Day, The Times found 680 questionable votes. Although it is not known for whom the flawed ballots were cast, four out of five were accepted in counties carried by Mr. Bush, The Times found. Mr. Bush's final margin in the official total was 537 votes. [4/5 of 680 = 544]

The flawed votes included ballots without postmarks, ballots postmarked after the election, ballots without witness signatures, ballots mailed from towns and cities within the United States and even ballots from voters who voted twice. All would have been disqualified had the state's election laws been strictly enforced.

The Republican push on absentee ballots became an effective counterweight to the Gore campaign's push for manual recounts in mainly Democratic counties in southern Florida.

In its investigation, The Times found that these overseas ballots - the only votes that could legally be received and counted after Election Day - were judged by markedly different standards, depending on where they were counted.

The unequal treatment of these ballots is at odds with statements by Bush campaign leaders and by the Florida secretary of state, Katherine Harris, that rules should be applied uniformly and certainly not changed in the middle of a contested election. It also conflicts with the equal protection guarantee that the United States Supreme Court invoked in December when it halted a statewide manual recount and effectively handed Florida to Mr. Bush.


...The effectiveness of the Republican effort is demonstrated by striking disparities in how different counties treated ballots with similar defects. For instance, counties carried by Mr. Gore accepted 2 in 10 ballots that had no evidence they were mailed on or before Election Day. Counties carried by Mr. Bush accepted 6 in 10 of the same kinds of ballots. Bush counties were four times as likely as Gore counties to count ballots lacking witness signatures and addresses.


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/politics/15BALL.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=0b11457cd483361e&ex=1192766400

So let's hear it, Theresa. Tell us you believe ALL BALLOTS should have been counted using "an equal standard in all the counties."

October 18, 2007 9:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I do think that is what should have been done. An equal standard across the state. The same standards in all counties.

This is an interesting article.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

Says Bush wins with a statewide recount. I don't know if the absentees were included in this or not.

Also says if the Gore voters were smarter, maybe he would have won. 4x as many Gore voters couldn't figure out some of the ballots....
Fascinating.

October 19, 2007 12:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

October 19, 2007 12:55 AM  
Anonymous grantdale said...

/sigh. Will someone, can someone, please bring this election forward and end all this now??? Gawd, we've only 12 more months of this...

Anyway, Jim, to return to the post...

I don't think it's being gay that upsets people, it's acting gay ... that's what bigots see that sets them off -- nobody knows who you're attracted to, unless you tell them, and unless you advertise your orientation with some stereotype nonconformity.

Urgh, not so. Not unless you include having a same-sex partner as "acting gay".

Neither of us vary much from a typical inner-city guy our age, except for the obvious thing about being a couple and not two individuals. (truth be told, Grant's Dad actually said "bullshit!" as his first words when Grant came out -- not in a bad way, just a bit didn't-see-that-coming that's-going-to-be-interesting sort of way).

Yet, together or apart, it doesn't take most people with 2 brain cells long to pick us.

It's not how we walk, talk, dress. It's the fact we openly mention each other, the same way anyone would after being together 15 years. I can't even remember the last time I actually said "I am gay" to someone. (or needed to).

And it's all too subtle, but plainly obvious. Apart from dropping each other's names, we constantly look across at the other; even for a moment. We look up when the other enters a room. We finish sentences (or start them!).

To give you an example -- we recently returned to Bali with a very dear long-time friend. She and one of us sat down one side of a table for dinner, the other by himself the other side (arrived a few minutes late...) We got chatting to a delightful Canadian girl (actually we apologised for our noise level) and she took all of 1 minute to ask "how long have you two been together?".

No, not the guy and the girl sitting together -- she asked us. I swear we had not done a single gay walk, talk or dress the whole time.

It's times like that I can only imagine what it would be like to return to the closet. Sheer unmitigated self-torture. I've better things to expend my energy on, frankly.

October 19, 2007 5:50 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

Thanks for the sanity, Grantdale, I always appreciate when you drop in.

I may have overemphasized the point. Let's say, I know some gay people who produce not a blip on the gaydar screen, and while I don't imagine their lives to be peaches and cream and I do imagine they have fewer problems from the peanut gallery than some of the more "flamboyant" [note: stereotypical term] gay folks out there. You've got a point. When you go out as a couple, people will notice that. But I think it's self-evident that a lot of the negative reaction to gay people comes from non-gender-stereotypical behavior, even on a small scale. My point, I think, was that gay people should realize they owe a little something to the transgender ones for pushing the issue a little bit, that their destinies are not independent from one another.

JimK

October 19, 2007 7:52 AM  
Anonymous grantdale said...

Agree totally with that Jim,

For all the absolute silliness, prejudice, assumptions and (sadly) aggression we've dealt with at times we also know that the very gentle boys have to deal with very much more.

Most of whom... aren't even gay.

(We've always said, for each REAL gay boy who gets bashed... 10 times more straight but gentle boys get "gay" bashed. And in that sense, your post is spot on the mark).

It's dreadful being attacked because you are gay -- I can only imagine what's its like to be attacked for being "gay" when you are not.

Sadly, we also know that gay boys, such as we once were, get to witness this anti-gay aggression too many times. It has a rather inhibiting effect on you.

And people wonder why we only come out, finally, when we do...

ps: one of us did get into a scrappy brawl... many years ago... defending such a guy in a pub. He still has a chipped tooth to prove it. The drunken loons could not understand why a "straight guy" would be sticking up for a "poof". Little did they know.

(One of us has always had a subtle violent streak... small he is, wolverine, willing to defend his den... /snort. He's currently giving me a "don't you dare post that" look. Yeah, as if I'd take any notice!)

October 19, 2007 11:18 AM  

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