Friday, April 09, 2010

Threats Against Leaders Escalating

As far back as I can remember, violence was understood as a sign of impotence. You threatened somebody or hurt somebody because you couldn't do anything else, because you had no real power. We learned to stand up for ourselves if violence was threatened, but attacking someone who did not physically threaten you was seen as a concession of defeat, proof that you couldn't win them over with persuasion or empathy.

The Washington Post:
Anger over the health-care overhaul has led to a nearly threefold increase in recent months in the number of serious threats against members of Congress, federal law enforcement officials said.

The lawmakers reported 42 threats in the first three months of this year, compared with 15 in the last three months of 2009, said Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terrance W. Gainer, who had information about threats involving both chambers.

"The incidents ranged from very vulgar to serious threats, including death threats," Gainer said. "The ability to carry them out is another question and part of an investigation to determine what, if any, appropriate steps to take."

Nearly all of the recent threats appear to come from opponents of the health-care overhaul, said Gainer, who also served four years as chief of the U.S. Capitol Police. And, he said, there have been "significantly more" threats against House members than against senators.

The threats, which have led to at least three arrests, have not abated since President Obama signed the measure into law March 23. The Capitol Police have contacted the FBI about such threats even more often since the law was signed, said Lindsay Godwin, an FBI spokeswoman. Anger over health-care reform spurs rise in threats against Congress members

I don't think this is unrelated to talk of secession in several states, governors and attorneys general talking about suing the federal government over the health bill, I don't think it's unrelated to the governor of Virginia's recent failure to mention slavery, which was not inadvertent, in his declaration of Confederate History Month in Virginia, which was also not inadvertent. This is not unrelated to the boom in gun sales and the explosion in the number of rightwing militias and other antigovernment organizations. And listen, Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann, are you kidding me? None of it is unrelated to the ubiquity of Fox News and the rise of talk radio.

We are, from Day One, a country "of the people," the voters decide who will lead us, and sometimes your candidate doesn't win. Some of us cringed under the previous Presidential administration, we were embarrassed for our country and worried about what would happen, but after eight years public opinion shifted and somebody more presentable won. Now maybe the other side cringes, they might not like all the decisions that are being made, and their role in this situation is to campaign for leaders that will please them, so they can have some say after the next round of elections. Instead, we see people tearing down the government, threatening elected leaders, forming rebel military units, declaring the President to be unqualified for the office -- failing, in other words, to participate in the process of self-government that the Founding Fathers invented and handed down to us. And those people who are undermining the legitimacy of elected officials are calling themselves "patriots." It is going to be very interesting to see where all this goes.

48 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

42 vs 15 threats?

oh, it's tripled but, come on, we're a country of 300 million

we just had a very intense and public political debate

there have been plenty of threats against conservatives and Republicans over the years

April 09, 2010 2:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"WASHINGTON (April 9) -- John Paul Stevens, the senior justice on the U.S. Supreme Court and the leading liberal on the nine-member bench, said today he would retire when the current session ends in June.

The long-expected announcement gives President Barack Obama his second chance to shape the high court."

too bad the Dems didn't play nice on health care

just a head's-up: we will filibuster any pro-choice nominee until November

April 09, 2010 3:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have never given a litmus test to anyone that I have appointed to the bench.... I feel very strongly about those social issues, but I also place my confidence in the fact that the one thing that I do seek are judges that will interpret the law and not write the law."

Ronald Reagan, June 23, 1986

April 09, 2010 7:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

roe v wade is the judiciary writing the law

we need to prevent that going forward

April 10, 2010 1:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous"
Forget the "threats" against conservatives and Republicans "over the years" That was then; this is now. And the Civil War has been over for close to 150 years now!

Talk about secession, armed conflict, nullification, dismemberment of our Federal Government, the threatened killing or otherwise maiming and wholesale lying about elected public officials, the demise of rational thinking, is what is occuring NOW...and unless the cancer of seditious talk and action against our government and our elected officials is stopped in its course, we will have plenty to pay for in the FUTURE.

The proponents of lying, historical revisionism, bigotry, evil self-interest, and appealing to the ignorance of a maliable population while amassing enormous profits must be challenged before the erosion goes any further.

We do not need to be extolling the wailings of people like Beck, Ingraham, Limbaugh, et al., or the Goddess of Gooniness, Ms.Palin. We need to get back to a sane, sensible, intelligent discussion of the true issues that face this nation and reject the snarky lying that represents itself as "the voice of the people".
Citizen

April 10, 2010 10:09 AM  
Anonymous why, shoot, let's have a good old-fashioned election said...

NEW ORLEANS - In an address before thousands of activists at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference Friday, Sarah Palin attacked the Obama administration for its energy policy, mocked the media and liberals for suggesting she is inciting violence and hit back at the president's criticism of her knowledge on nuclear issues.

Mr. Obama said in an interview Friday that he was unconcerned with Palin's opinion on his decision to announce that the United States will not use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear country.

"Last I checked, Sarah Palin's not an expert on nuclear issues," he said.

Palin shot back in her comments Friday, mocking the president for "the vast nuclear experience that he acquired as a community organizer." She said that his alleged experience had not helped him make progress in the issue with Iran and North Korea.

Palin was greeted with overwhelming enthusiasm by the delegates here, who entered the hall to find Alaskan caribou jerky waiting on their seats. Hundreds of flashbulbs went off when Palin came onstage, and standing ovations and chants of "Sarah, Sarah, Sarah" broke out throughout her remarks.

Palin, a leading 2012 GOP presidential candidate, said the Obama doctrine involved "coddling enemies and alienating allies," attacking the administration for its handling of Israel, Iran and North Korea. She criticized the administration for its "yes we can spread the wealth around" attitude and said its programs, which she said took money from future generations, involved what "a lot of us" consider "stealing."

She suggested alternatives to the Obama administration's "Yes we can" slogan, among them "repeal and replace," and "don't retreat, reload," which prompted a standing ovation.

Palin said "don't retreat, reload," was "not a call for violence," despite what Democrats and members of the media have suggested. She said the media is "so desperate to discredit the people's movement, the tea party movement" that they make up such claims.

Later, after saying the word "shoot," she quipped, "I said shoot, I'm sorry," prompting laughter from the crowd.

Palin said that too many in Washington see money as free, referencing the stimulus package passed by the Obama administration.

On energy policy, she said "the left has waged a multi-front war on conventional resources." Palin dismissed the president's decision to open up some offshore areas for drilling, saying, "they banned more offshore drilling than they allowed."

Palin argued that the president is "trying to play both sides against the middle" and is pushing a policy that will "destroy jobs and impose a new national tax on energy on all of us."

The former Alaska governor deemed the Environmental Protection Agency the "economic punishment agency" for claiming a role to regulate carbon emissions. She said the Obama administration's nuclear policy was " a lot of smoke and mirrors" because it was difficult to actually build a nuclear facility.

Palin also said global warming skeptics were "a little bit vindicated" by revelations that "there was some snake oil science" going on in climate change research, deeming the situation "Goregate."

She added that while activists may be down, there is nothing wrong "that a good old-fashioned election can't fix."

"Today the grand old party has its eyes wide open," Palin said. "We're getting back to our grand old roots."

April 10, 2010 10:16 AM  
Anonymous patriotic citizen said...

"Forget the "threats" against conservatives and Republicans "over the years" That was then; this is now."

let's just review the violence against presidents in the last half century, shall we?

John Kennedy, killed by a socialist with connections to the Soviet Union

Gerald Ford, shot at twice by cultists who cited environmental causes as their rationale

Ronald Reagan, shot by a nut who said he was trying to impress a liberal lesbian Hollywood actress

LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barry O...no attacks

true, all the perpetrators were fringe but so are the few that TTF and other liberal media are trying to promote as representative

it's all the shamelessness of the liberal movement

face it, the liberal fringe is much more dangerous than the conservative fringe

April 10, 2010 10:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, sometimes you post these things, and it appears you think they support your point of view, and I almost feel sorry for you. Referring sarcastically to President Obama as a "community organizer" was a failed talking point during the election campaign, and it sounds even dumber now. Lots of liberals hunt and own guns, she's not making any point by those references. This is just stupid talking-point speaking, aimed at stupid people, and apparently stupid people like you are falling for it.

The Republican Party needs to decide whether to hitch its wagon to losers and idiots like Sarah Palin, or to reattach itself to a positive conservative political philosophy. Recent comments by Newt Gingrich seem to indicate they are going to go with the stupid approach. Recent comments and actions by major conservative contributors to the GOP indicate it's not going to work.

April 10, 2010 10:33 AM  
Anonymous take that, liberal said...

remember when Hollywood liberals made a movie about George Bush being assassinated?

good, old-fashioned liberal entertainment

"shameless" is right

April 10, 2010 10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahhhh...I see the cutsie, gooey, wailin' Palin is trying to "educate" the, shall we say "less-informed", citizens who are beside themselves with "adulation" of this failed Governor.

This is the state to which we have fallen:
"Palin shot back in her comments Friday, mocking the president for "the vast nuclear experience that he acquired as a community organizer." She said that his alleged experience had not helped him make progress in the issue with Iran and North Korea."

Her experience as the resigned Governor of a state that is a "Neighbor of Russia" has no doubt added to her vast knowledge of "nuclear issues".

What, exactly, is her nuclear experience?...her solution to the problems we might be having with Iran and North Korea? Bomb them with nuclear weapons back to the Stone Age?

Of course it is always obvious that wailin' Palin never comes forth with a concrete policy statement of any kind addressing any issue. Talking in sweeping generalities always has an allure to the "less-informed" audiences that she bilks for lots of money.

Her evaluation of the President's "doctrine" of "coddling enemies and alienating allies,"...attacking the administration for its handling of Israel, Iran and North Korea" other than being laughable,
makes no sense, given the probability that she couldn't even locate these countries on a world map.

The Ex-Governor is truly an example of the Alaskan caribou jerky that uninformed but ga-ga delegates might unexpectedly sit upon at their seats.

It's really sad that people take her seriously, especially those who are allegedly educated.

Circe

April 10, 2010 10:47 AM  
Anonymous let's get everyone organized said...

"President Obama promised to quickly name a Supreme Court nominee to replace retiring Justice J. P. Stevens.

Obama said he spoke with Stevens Friday and that both agreed it is important to have a nominee confirmed and seated before October."

sorry, Barry

no can do

"Anon, sometimes you post these things, and it appears you think they support your point of view, and I almost feel sorry for you. Referring sarcastically to President Obama as a "community organizer" was a failed talking point during the election campaign, and it sounds even dumber now."

well, I appreciate the sympathy but it's the Dems who should be worried, if pollsters are right

you think that remark failed?

look at the polls the day after

that speech was the only time anyone could land a punch on the golden boy with no experience

McCain failed because he silenced Palin for too long after that

"The Republican Party needs to decide whether to hitch its wagon to losers and idiots like Sarah Palin, or to reattach itself to a positive conservative political philosophy."

McCain was an attempt to go moderate.

It failed.

"Recent comments by Newt Gingrich seem to indicate they are going to go with the stupid approach."

Gingrich ran the country from 1994-2000 and liberals always talk about that time as a golden era.

"Recent comments and actions by major conservative contributors to the GOP indicate it's not going to work."

not really

April 10, 2010 10:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

circe made no real point so no need for a response

April 10, 2010 10:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Given that the point I was making:
"Talk about secession, armed conflict, nullification, dismemberment of our Federal Government, the threatened killing or otherwise maiming and wholesale lying about elected public officials, the demise of rational thinking, is what is occuring NOW",...just what is your point: "let's just review the violence against presidents in the last half century, shall we?" ?

The history of violence pitting mankind against mankind is replete with examples such as those you cited. Perhaps you might even go so far as to relate the Biblical events of thousands of years ago.

The point is: we are, today, faced with a national nervous breakdown that is encouraging the worst elements of our population to exploit with the intention of causing irreparable harm to our nation.

In the light of that reality, your statement that: "face it, the liberal fringe is much more dangerous than the conservative fringe." places you squarely in the camp of those worst elements.
Citizen

April 10, 2010 11:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just as I suspected, "Anonymous". You really are DENSE. In the words of Representative Frank: discussing anything with you is like talking to the dining room table!
Circe

April 10, 2010 11:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Circe has managed to make another pointless remark

kudos to Circe for consistency

April 10, 2010 11:45 AM  
Anonymous patriotic citizen said...

"The history of violence pitting mankind against mankind is replete with examples such as those you cited. Perhaps you might even go so far as to relate the Biblical events of thousands of years ago."

or you go back to the beginning of Obama's political career

his first fundrasier was held at the home of a leftist who once bombed the Capitol to bring down our "fascist" government and only escaped justice because of a technicality in the courtroom

Barry palled around with him

"The point is: we are, today, faced with a national nervous breakdown that is encouraging the worst elements of our population to exploit with the intention of causing irreparable harm to our nation."

voting out the socialists will save our nation, not harm it

"In the light of that reality, your statement that: "face it, the liberal fringe is much more dangerous than the conservative fringe." places you squarely in the camp of those worst elements."

only in the Land of Non Seqitur where our fringe "citizens" live

April 10, 2010 11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comrades,

We are experiencing a mammoth government takeover of our country. I voted for George Bush, and then watched with horror as he put things into place that took away our freedoms, and now Obama has ratcheted the takeover process up 100-fold. It's scary as hell. Yes, both men have done things that we can point to that we like and respect, depending on our view of things, but the damaging things are ultimately outweighing the good things.

Please don't be blinded by Obama simply because you voted for him. I realized my mistake in voting for Bush, and our only hope is for others to put their country before their pride.

April 10, 2010 12:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

not long ago, the NY liberal press ran a profile of a Tea Partier, making her look like a dangerous nut

Dave Letterman called her and had her come on his show

youtube link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw9zpfjOe0g

TTFers watch and feel embarrassed

April 10, 2010 12:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Passions continue to run hot on all sides of the political spectrum about the significance of the small-government Tea Party movement. President Obama himself weighed in on the question in an interview recenty with "Today Show" host Matt Lauer, contending that he welcomed the "genuine concerns" of the "broader circle" of conservative activists worried about the growth of government and the ballooning federal deficit — while also making it clear that the fringe elements of the movement, such as those activists who question the legitimacy of his U.S. citizenship, are more difficult to engage in dialogue with.

Meanwhile, later in the broadcast day, a rival network brought another sort of human face to the Tea Party movement: CBS "Late Show" host David Letterman, of all people, featured an interview with Pam Stout, the president of the Sandpoint, Idaho, group called the Tea Party Patriots. (By sheer coincidence, Sandpoint is also the birthplace of Tea Party icon Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska.)

Stout's 15 minutes of late-night fame proved quite compelling TV viewing. Where other encounters between the media and Tea Partiers have erred strongly on the side of confrontation, the dominant tone of the Letterman exchange was actually kind of sweet. Letterman played up his image as a comparatively naïve follower of the political scene. Stout responded patiently to Letterman's queries, projecting an image of a wholesome, quiet-spoken Middle American activist. Entertainment Weekly TV critic Ken Tucker called it "a quietly remarkable piece of television."

Stout said she was wary at first — recalling Letterman's past public spats with Palin, and the generally left-liberal drift of his politics. But she says that she soon conquered her qualms.

"I'm just a little old lady from Idaho," she told us. "I thought, 'Surely he wouldn't try to make mince meat out of me.' "

And so she flew into New York Monday to appear in the midtown studio of the show to tape her Tuesday-night interview segment. She said that while walking around the rainy city on Tuesday prior to the taping, she was again struck by a sense of unreality.

"All day yesterday I was walking around thinking, 'Is this really happening to me?' " said Stout. She added that, to her surprise, some members of the "Late Show" staff even expressed support for the Tea Party movement, as did members of musical guest Alan Jackson's band. "It was a really wonderful experience." But one thing stood out most in her mind, she recalls: "The thing that was really an experience for me was going to the Ed Sullivan Theater," said Stout, a naturalized U.S. citizen whose parents were both British immigrants. "When I first came to America, the Ed Sullivan show was a big deal, and to get to be in that theater was really special."

April 10, 2010 12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

guess she's not a nuclear expert, like Obama

April 10, 2010 12:39 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Anon, I just watched your video, and I don't understand why you posted it. Is the idea supposed to be that this is a nice lady, and therefore the people who spit on our leaders and call them niggers and faggots and leave threatening voicemails for them are also nice people? What is the point, really, and why should any member of TTF be embarrassed?

JimK

April 10, 2010 12:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

found any proof that any tea party protestor called anyone a "nigger"?

this was an allegation made of protestors outside the Capitol on the day the Congress approved health care socialism but I yet to see any proof

TTfers have persistently worked to sterotype Tea Party activists over the last year

April 10, 2010 12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you watch the "spitting" video?

I did.

The guy was shouting and maybe some spittle came out while he was shouting.

Watch it on the Huffington Post, if you like. Even the congressman said that he simply expected the guy to excuse himself for accidentally spitting. The guy didn't apologize for his spittle, though it would have been nice if he had. Here's the Huffington Post link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/congressman-spit-on-by-te_n_516300.html

April 10, 2010 2:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

might have been rude but many of things protestors against the Iraq War did were too

Bush couldn't even vacation on his ranch in peace

it's just not relevant to anything

these types of people exist in all persuasions

it's called human nature

liberals are hyperbolizing

voters are seeing this and the reaction is benefiting the Tea Party

April 10, 2010 3:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tea hee hee ... Teabonics

April 10, 2010 3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm the one who posted the "spittle" comment with the video link. I was trying to get across the fact that the "spitting," if there was any saliva, was simply accidental --- as can be seen in the video and as the congressman's later comments suggest.

April 10, 2010 10:58 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

that speech was the only time anyone could land a punch on the golden boy with no experience

Wrong.

Palin landed that same (non-violent < wink >) "punch" on Obama at the Republican convention when she was nominated as VP.

Palin said, "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities!"

A few days later USA Today reported:

Some of the loudest roars at the Republican convention this week came when vice presidential pick Sarah Palin and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani made fun of Democrat Barack Obama's experience as a community organizer. Hours later, the Obama campaign started raising money off the jokes.

"They insulted the very idea that ordinary people have a role to play in our political process," campaign manager David Plouffe wrote Thursday in an early-morning fundraising e-mail. "Let's clarify something for them right now. Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies."


Doubt Plouffe? Go ask your favorite tea bag community organizer.

And if Palin thinks that the President of the USA does not learn a lot more about nukes than a half-term Governor of Alaska, she's grossly and sadly mistaken.

Gingrich ran the country from 1994-2000

Wrong again. You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Gingrich was speaker of the house from 1994-1998, when resigned in disgrace for two late 1990s failures: the failed impeachment of President Clinton and the GOP's resultant 1998 midterm election loses. Wikipedia reports:

Republicans lost 5 seats in the House in the 1998 midterm elections — the worst performance in 64 years for a party that didn't hold the presidency. Polls showed that Gingrich and the Republican Party's attempt to remove President Clinton from office was widely unpopular among Americans.

Gingrich suffered much of the blame for the election loss. Facing another rebellion in the Republican caucus, he announced on November 6 that he would not only stand down as Speaker, but would leave the House as well. He had been handily reelected to an 11th term in that election, but declined to take his seat.


He and Palin are a matched set....of quitters.

his first fundrasier was held at the home of a...

LOLOL Go ahead and use that one again too, just like the "community organizer" line. They both worked soooooo well for the GOP in 2008!

April 11, 2010 11:40 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

found any proof that any tea party protestor called anyone a "nigger"?

Are you calling Representatives John Lewis, Andre Carson, and Emanuel Cleaver liars? All three of them reported hearing the N-word being used by protesters, and Representative Cleaver also identified and then magnanimously decided to drop the charges against the tea bagger who spit on him, which the spitting video at HuffPo clearly shows happening. You can't hear the N-word on that tape but the crowd closer to the camera is so noisy it's no wonder you can't.

Here's the video of the ABCNews story, "Health Care Opposition Turns Ugly, which includes a bleeped video of Representative Barney Frank being called the F-word.

Of course Frank was inside a building so you could hear the single voice ring out on the video. In contrast, outside the Capitol where the members of the Black Caucus were walking through a crowd when they were called the N-word by one or more protesters a few stairs below the videographer in the HuffPo spitting video, the N-word was easily lost in the crowd noises much closer to the camera's microphone.

April 11, 2010 11:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bea,

Ho ho -- I looked at your "proof." Not one of them is quoted saying that someone called them "nigger."

The only one who has a valid claim is Barney Frank.

April 11, 2010 1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

brilliant-anon: "that speech was the only time anyone could land a punch on the golden boy with no experience"

inane-B: "Wrong.

Palin landed that same (non-violent "punch" on Obama at the Republican convention when she was nominated as VP."

that was the time I was speaking of

the day after, the McCain was ahead in the polls

McCain's mistake was to silence Palin

inane-B: "They insulted the very idea that ordinary people have a role to play in our political process," campaign manager David Plouffe wrote Thursday in an early-morning fundraising e-mail. "Let's clarify something for them right now. Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies."

no, they mocked Obama's experience

few "community organizers" would consider themselves qualified to be President

Of course, Obama believes he is a deity

"And if Palin thinks that the President of the USA does not learn a lot more about nukes than a half-term Governor of Alaska, she's grossly and sadly mistaken."

Obama's policy shift is inane.

Palin was pointing that out and was echoing the concerns of experts with the experience Obama lacks.

The implication that someone's opinion is invalid because of their lack of expertise originated by Obama, who got bit by it.

"Gingrich ran the country from 1994-2000

Wrong again. You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Gingrich was speaker of the house from 1994-1998, when resigned in disgrace for two late 1990s failures: the failed impeachment of President Clinton and the GOP's resultant 1998 midterm election loses. Wikipedia reports:

Republicans lost 5 seats in the House in the 1998 midterm elections — the worst performance in 64 years for a party that didn't hold the presidency. Polls showed that Gingrich and the Republican Party's attempt to remove President Clinton from office was widely unpopular among Americans."

pyhrric victory for Dems

Gingrich's policies were adapted by Clinton

"He and Palin are a matched set....of quitters."

oh, I think, by now, it's obvious Palin made the right move

her field of influence to pursue her causes has expanded greatly

you may notice that the President of the United States feels it necessary to respond to her criticisms

you call what she's doing now, quitting?

she's earned a membership to one of them fancy health clubs!

"his first fundrasier was held at the home of a...

LOLOL Go ahead and use that one again too, just like the "community organizer" line. They both worked soooooo well for the GOP in 2008!"

TTF is the one throwing accusations that Tea Partyers are dangerous nuts

the terrorist guy is only the beginning

then, there's Barry and his racist pastor

Barry and the socialist who thought the government orchestrated 9-11

it goes on and on with these Dems

April 11, 2010 11:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

brilliant:

"found any proof that any tea party protestor called anyone a "nigger"?"

inane:

"Are you calling Representatives John Lewis, Andre Carson, and Emanuel Cleaver liars? All three of them reported hearing the N-word being used by protesters, and Representative Cleaver also identified and then magnanimously decided to drop the charges against the tea bagger who spit on him, which the spitting video at HuffPo clearly shows happening. You can't hear the N-word on that tape but the crowd closer to the camera is so noisy it's no wonder you can't."

in other words, no, there is absolutely no proof or reason to think this happened

"Here's the video of the ABCNews story, "Health Care Opposition Turns Ugly, which includes a bleeped video of Representative Barney Frank being called the F-word.

Of course Frank was inside a building so you could hear the single voice ring out on the video."

so what?

it's not a term I usually use but it is an epithet for one who engages in a behavior that is deviant

not the same as racism

and most if us are not really disturbed by use of this term

April 11, 2010 11:54 PM  
Anonymous nostalgia grows for the Bush era said...

"WASHINGTON -- The election-year jobs agenda promised by President Obama and Democrats has stalled seven months before voters determine control of Congress.

Democrats have no money to pay for the program. That's because the Democratic chairman of the Senate Budget Committee objected to using bailout money.

Such a move, he insisted, would add tens of billions of dollars to the national debt.

An $80 billion-plus Senate plan promised an infusion of cash. Two months after the plan was introduced, it remains on the Senate's shelf.

Obama's proposed $250 bonus payment to Social Security recipients is dead for the year, having lost a Senate vote last month.

The idea of a jobs agenda arose late last year when the unemployment rate hit 10 percent and Democrats voiced concern that the majority party wasn't doing enough to spur job creation. In December, House Democrats passed a $174 billion measure.

In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid handed the issue over to Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin and Byron Dorgan. They devised the $83 billion plan.

The plan absorbed a critical setback when the Senate Budget Committee chairman, Sen. Kent Conrad, a Democrat, came out against using bailout funds to pay for it.

Since then, the measure has languished. Concerns about the rising national debt have sapped momentum.

What's going ahead instead are small-scale initiatives. That includes modest help for small business or simple extensions of parts from last year's economic stimulus measure.

None is expected to make an appreciable dent in an unemployment rate, stubbornly stuck at 9.7 percent, which is more than double what it was three years ago."

sad......

April 12, 2010 7:13 AM  
Anonymous big ol' smile said...

"Senate Republican leaders declined to rule out a filibuster of President Obama's nominee to succeed retiring Supreme Court Justice Stevens, if they think the pick falls outside the mainstream.

Calling each of the most commonly mentioned candidates to succeed Stevens "only nominally qualified," Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) would not take the filibuster off the table."

"There was no health care bounce. In fact, there has been something of a health care swoon.

Democrats have seen the favorable rating of their party drop to the lowest level ever recorded by Gallup — 41 percent — and the president’s job approval rating remains below 50 percent.

Now, as Congress returns to work after a two-week break, the choice before Democrats is this: keep plunging ahead or start running for cover?

President Obama is brimming with transformational ideas. Aside from ratifying a controversial nuclear treaty and confirming a new liberal Supreme Court justice, Obama wants new rules on bank bailouts, immigration reform and global warming legislation.

But Democrats are feeling skittish after being back among their constituents.

Rep. Stupak gave up his bid for a 10th term as tea partiers swarmed his district. Stupak’s retreat on abortion in the health plan allowed the bill to become law. His flip-flop also seems to have undone his career.

His fellow Democrats were mostly mum about health care during the spring break.

Rep. Titus of Nevada, who won her Las Vegas district in 2008,stayed low.

Titus now trails Republican state Sen. Joe Heck by 5 points, and there is little sign that her constituents are in a mood to be educated.

In Nevada, opposition to Obamacare runs 16 points ahead of support, with those strongly opposed outnumbering those strongly in favor by 2-to-1.

Lawmakers from Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Pennsylvania and other states with hot legislative races know the numbers well — Obama’s job approval in the low 40s, his health program doing even worse and the strongest anti-incumbent sentiment ever recorded.

Titus and her fellow Democrats chanted and cheered in a celebration of in-your-face partisanship at the White House when Obama signed the health bill on March 23. She and other vulnerable Democrats seem to be returning to Washington with less of an appetite for smack talk.

Looking at an average of polls, one finds Republicans with an advantage of more than 5 points in the national congressional ballot.

These are very dire numbers for Democrats since Republicans usually perform a few points better on Election Day than they do in surveys.

The analysis of past results by Nate Silver, whose work is revered in Democratic circles, suggests that if Republicans were to perform as suggested by the polls today, it would mean a loss of more than 50 seats in the House for Democrats and an 11-seat majority for Republicans.

The central argument among Democratic strategists for passing President Obama’s health care program was that it would boost voter intensity on the Left.

Obama convinced his fellow Democrats to try European-style politics to go with European-style policies.

Euro-crats didn’t much care if citizens wanted to accept the European Union or the euro. They jammed their policies through and then set about on education tours.

But because of America’s much stronger resentment of centralized authority and the cruel certainty of a two-year House election cycle, Democrats can no longer dismiss the possibility of a crushing defeat."

April 12, 2010 8:55 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Jim, are you now accepting plagiarized editorials without comment or attribution as comments?

Ho ho -- I looked at your "proof." Not one of them is quoted saying that someone called them "nigger."

Really? How did reading comprehension challenged you miss these quotes from the links I provided?

John Lewis:

"Lewis said he was leaving the Cannon office building across from the Capitol when protesters shouted "Kill the bill, kill the bill," Lewis said.

"I said 'I'm for the bill, I support the bill, I'm voting for the bill'," Lewis said.

A colleague who was accompanying Lewis said people in the crowd responded by saying "Kill the bill, then the n-word."

"It surprised me that people are so mean and we can't engage in a civil dialogue and debate," Lewis said."


Andre Carson:

"Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.) said Saturday that healthcare protesters at the Capitol directed racial epithets at him and Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) as they walked outside.

Carson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus along with Lewis, told The Hill that protesters called the lawmakers the N-word. "


Emanuel Cleaver's office released this statement:

"This is not the first time the Congressman has been called the "n" word and certainly not the worst assault he has endured in his years fighting for equal rights for all Americans."

Watch this fuller video of the spitting incident and note these interesting moments:

--The spitter in the white hat and black shirt with a small white rectangle on it leans forward and cups his hands around the sides of his mouth and yells at members of the Black Caucus as they walk by.

--Representative Cleaver swats the air next to his face closest to the spitter as he passes him and turns to speak to him. Cleaver points straight ahead at the spitter and they appear to yell at each other as the spitter keeps his hands cupped around his mouth.

--The spitter turns his back to the staircase and speaks to a few other protesters behind and next to him. Then he puts his hands up along side his mouth and also points straight ahead, as if reenacting his encounter a few minutes earlier with Cleaver.

--A man in a shirt and tie approaches the group of protesters including the spitter and stops to talk with them and shake the spitter's hand.

--The spitter appears to watch Representative Cleaver descend the stairs he had climbed a few minutes earlier. As Cleaver approaches the lower steps, the spitter turns and speaks to another protester and raises his left hand to the side of his mouth closest to Cleaver and chants "kill the bill" a few times. The spitter avoids looking in Cleaver's direction rather than seeking to be in his face as he did a few minutes earlier. Then the spitter moves to speak directly into another protester's face with his left hand still cupped at the side of his mouth. The other protester appears to raise his face and laugh.

--The spitter lowers his hand from his face and folds his arms over his chest when Cleaver turns his back to him.

--Another protester leans in close to talk to the spitter. The spitter's head bobs rapidly up and down as if laughing at whatever this protester told him.

--A tall protester joins in the conversation. The spitter raises his hands to the sides of his mouth and lowers them a few times as he speaks with this tall protester too.

April 12, 2010 11:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Watch this fuller video of the spitting incident and note these interesting moments:"

really getting desperate, aren't you, inane?

"Are you calling Representatives John Lewis, Andre Carson, and Emanuel Cleaver liars?"

they might have lied

why?

read on:

"ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.
Jason Levin, creator of http://www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders in major cities across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15—tax filing day, when tea party groups across the country are planning to gather and protest high taxes.

"Every time we have someone on camera saying that Barack Obama isn't an American citizen, we want someone sitting next to him saying, 'That's right, he's an alien from outer space!'" Levin said.

Tea party members said the backlash comes from ignorance.

"They can't actually debate our message and that's their problem," said Bob MacGuffie, a Connecticut organizer for Right Principles, a tea party group that also has members in New York and New Jersey.

The tea party movement generally unites on the fiscally conservative principles of small government, lower taxes and less spending. Beyond that the ideology of the people involved tends to vary dramatically.

Levin says they want to exaggerate the group's qualities, further distance the tea party from mainstream America and damage the public's opinion of them.

The site manifesto says they want to dismantle the Tea Party by nonviolent means. "We have already sat quietly in their meetings, and observed their rallies," the site said.

Another tea party organizer said the attempt to destroy the movement was evidence its message is resonating.

"We've been ignored, we've been ridiculed. Well, now they're coming after us," said Judy Pepenella, a co-coordinator for the New York State Tea Party. "Gandhi's quote is one we understand: 'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.'""

April 12, 2010 10:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no credible evidence that any of the congressman said that they were called the "n" word. Lewis, Carson and Cleaver won't confirm the reports.

April 12, 2010 10:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In addition, there were THREE television cameras right there and not one of them picked up the "n" word.

It was the "N Word Scam" of the century.

April 13, 2010 8:01 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Lewis, Carson and Cleaver won't confirm the reports.

Not one of them has rescinded his earlier public comments on the matter claiming not to have hear the N-word. Unlike the moronic tea baggers who think it's "freedom" to use the N-word and F-word when addressing elected officials, these members of the Black Caucus are not keen to stir up more racial disharmony. There's no need for them to repeat the reports they already made to the press.

Everybody knows there's a racist undertone to the dissent against any policy of the first African American PUSA. You can't deny the pictures that prove it.

For example here's a picture of tea bag community activist, Dale Robertson holding a "NIGGAR" sign himself. And here are more pictures of racist tea bag protest signs.

April 13, 2010 8:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"these members of the Black Caucus are not keen to stir up more racial disharmony"

you're kidding, right?

"Everybody knows there's a racist undertone to the dissent against any policy of the first African American PUSA."

if this remark doesn't qualify as racist, what would?

April 13, 2010 8:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There's no need for them to repeat the reports they already made to the press."

what, they thought they could say something like that and no one would follow up?

why did the Black Caucus walk through the crowd instead of taking the tunnel, as is the custom?

why did they segregate themselves from the other Congressmen when the took this stroll?

if the crowd was so loud that you couldn't make out what was said on tape, are they that sure what they heard in person?

given the pattern, it's probable this is nothing but a smear tactic by liberals

April 13, 2010 9:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Are you calling Representatives John Lewis, Andre Carson, and Emanuel Cleaver liars?"

oh no, I wouldn't dream of saying that

who ever heard of a politician who lies?

btw, Congress is consistently rated as our most untrustworthy institution

April 13, 2010 10:03 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Congress is consistently rated as our most untrustworthy institution

Congress might rate higher than anonymous Breitbart/O'Keefe-wannabee trolls, who are much less trustworthy IMHO. They'll fabricate and repeat any lie over and over.

AP reports:

"..."It didn't happen," said Breitbart, who wasn't there. "This is 2010. Even a racist is media-savvy enough not to yell the N-word." [though some like Dale Robertson can't stop themselves from putting the N-word on their protest signs]

The dispute pits the lawmakers — one of them, Lewis, is a leader and survivor of 1960s civil rights battles — against conservatives determined to counter claims of racism within the predominantly white and middle-aged tea party movement. The criticism has proven a distraction to a nascent movement pushing a unified message of fiscal conservatism and limited government.

The issue still echoes in the media and blogosphere.

"Listen, I was there," Carson, D-Ind., said in an interview. "In many regards I think (the challenges are) a veiled attempt to justify actions that are simply unjustifiable. I think we need to move toward a dialogue that explores why this kind of divisive and reprehensible language is still making it into our political debate."

A fourth Democrat, Rep. Heath Shuler of North Carolina, who is white, backed up his colleagues, telling the Hendersonville (N.C.) Times-News that he heard the slurs.

A reconstruction of the events shows that the conservative challenges largely sprang from a mislabeled video that was shot later in the day.

Breitbart posted two columns on his Web site saying the claims were fabricated. Both led with a 48-second YouTube video showing Lewis, Carson, other Congressional Black Caucus members and staffers leaving the Capitol. Some of the group were videotaping the booing crowd.

Breitbart asked why the epithet was not captured by the black lawmakers' cameras, and why nobody reacted as if they had heard the slur. He also questioned whether the epithets could have been shouted by liberals planted in the crowd.

But the 48-second video was shot as the group was leaving the Capitol — at least one hour after Lewis, D-Ga., and Carson walked to the Capitol, which is when they said the slurs were used.

Questioned about using a video on his Web site from the wrong moment, Breitbart stood by his claim that the lawmakers were lying."...

April 14, 2010 7:35 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

why did the Black Caucus walk through the crowd instead of taking the tunnel, as is the custom?

Since when is walking across the street on a beautiful sunny spring day in Washington DC suspect?

According to the same AP article I linked to above, here's why some Black Caucus members decided to take the outdoor route rather than the tunnel:

..."Carson described leaving the Cannon House Office Building for votes and bumping into Lewis in the elevator. They chose to walk outside to the Capitol, rather than through the underground tunnels.

Conservatives say Democrats staged a march through a hostile crowd to instigate a reaction. Carson said there was no such plan: It was just the first day of spring."

Soon after leaving Cannon, "I hear someone say it," said Carson, a former police officer. "You see one or two tea party people kind of look at him, and then you hear it again as we're walking. Then we walk across (Independence Avenue), and that's when it starts getting deeper."

Carson said he heard it coming from different places in the crowd. "You heard it in spurts, in the midst of 'Kill the bill. Kill the bill.'"

"One guy, I remember he just rattled it off several times. Then John looks at me and says, 'You know, this reminds me of a different time.'"

Cleaver, D-Mo., was walking a distance behind Carson and Lewis. He says he heard the epithet and was spit on."...


A better question than Anone's is why did these tea bag protesters decide to direct the N-word toward members of the Black Caucus as they walked across Independence Avenue.

April 14, 2010 8:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

really sad how desperately inane wants to prove "nigger" was yelled at a protest against the socialist health bill

as proof: a couple of more Democrats say so

and inane mentions one of them is white

is that racism?

it's a documented fact that liberals are organizing a strategy to discredit the Tea Party by trying to paint them as racist and crazy

the strategy has been outed

they should cease this before it gets embarassing

April 14, 2010 9:10 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Oh yeah, no doubt it was one of the make-tea-baggers-look-like-racists **conspirators** who painted that NIGGAR sign and forced tea bag leader Dale Robertson to hold it.

BTW, Anone, it is the AP you're asking if they exhibited racism because they reported "A fourth Democrat, Rep. Heath Shuler of North Carolina, who is white, backed up his colleagues, telling the Hendersonville (N.C.) Times-News that he heard the slurs."

April 14, 2010 9:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The so-called "Tea Party" movement is doing a good enough job of painting itself as "racist and crazy" "Anonymous".

All one has to do is watch one of their rallies, and if nausea does not overcome the viewer, it is a plain as the nose on your face what the "baggers" are all about.

Hatred, venemous vituperation, slander, lies, obvious ignorance of the provisions of the Consitution, hatred, bigotry, seditious ravings are all stock-in-trade with these folks...it doesn't take "liberal strategy" to conjure up these images that the "baggers" so willingly show of themselves.
Citizen

April 14, 2010 9:38 AM  
Anonymous patriotic citizen said...

hyperbole, Citizen

I've been to some Tea Party gatherings

what you say is false

April 14, 2010 2:59 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Unless you've been to every tea party meeting, what you're saying is conjecture.

The internet is full of evidence proving Citizen's point.

Tea baggers have been making their own racist case since 2009's tax day protests, long before Jason Levin began making waves.

April 15, 2010 9:10 AM  

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